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		<title>By: Your Money Relationship - How to Get Out of an Apartment Lease</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyrelationship.com/housing/the-age-of-no-negotiation-apartment-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Money Relationship - How to Get Out of an Apartment Lease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ideas for upcoming posts, please contact us and send your ideas.In a past post, I talked about my inability to negotiate with an apartment complex. In that circumstance, my lease expired and I was trying to stay there at the same price for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ideas for upcoming posts, please contact us and send your ideas.In a past post, I talked about my inability to negotiate with an apartment complex. In that circumstance, my lease expired and I was trying to stay there at the same price for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d pay the extra money knowing that it would probably cause me more headaches and more money to find somewhere else to live for two months.

I would then be grateful that I would be graduating soon and likely be able to find a job, unlike your apartment manager, where I wouldn&#039;t have to bring bad karma onto myself by agreeing to work for a company that exploits others for nothing other than excessive greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d pay the extra money knowing that it would probably cause me more headaches and more money to find somewhere else to live for two months.</p>
<p>I would then be grateful that I would be graduating soon and likely be able to find a job, unlike your apartment manager, where I wouldn&#8217;t have to bring bad karma onto myself by agreeing to work for a company that exploits others for nothing other than excessive greed.</p>
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		<title>By: NtJS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NtJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a difficult one.  When you are talking apartment complexes, you are talking fair housing laws.  Since those went into effect, negotiation has gone out the window at the places when those apply.  Any deal has to be offered to everyone, or something like that.  

It&#039;s a slippery slope, and no apartment manager is interested in getting busted breaking those laws.  To skirt the issue, try renting from a Mom-and-Pop landlord.  I think that if they have 4 units or less then Fair Housing laws do not apply, and you can strike deals then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a difficult one.  When you are talking apartment complexes, you are talking fair housing laws.  Since those went into effect, negotiation has gone out the window at the places when those apply.  Any deal has to be offered to everyone, or something like that.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a slippery slope, and no apartment manager is interested in getting busted breaking those laws.  To skirt the issue, try renting from a Mom-and-Pop landlord.  I think that if they have 4 units or less then Fair Housing laws do not apply, and you can strike deals then.</p>
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		<title>By: crystallynnevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>crystallynnevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sucks Adam!  I don&#039;t get why people and companies have gotten into this &#039;groove&#039; of not taking people&#039;s money either.  Doug and I had a similar situation with our apartment right before we bought our house. the lease ran out at the end of august, our closing was september 21st.  in order to sty we had to either sign on for another 6 months (whether we lived there or not) or be out by the end of august.  so rather then paying for a place we weren&#039;t going to live in the whole time, we moved into my mom&#039;s place and then moved again at the end of the month into our house... what a pain, but at least we weren&#039;t paying for something we weren&#039;t using.  I wouldn&#039;t take a lease for 12 months if you&#039;re only going to be there til december.  and paying more per month isn&#039;t cool either, because you&#039;ll just be ticked off every month knowing you&#039;re paying more for not staying longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sucks Adam!  I don&#8217;t get why people and companies have gotten into this &#8216;groove&#8217; of not taking people&#8217;s money either.  Doug and I had a similar situation with our apartment right before we bought our house. the lease ran out at the end of august, our closing was september 21st.  in order to sty we had to either sign on for another 6 months (whether we lived there or not) or be out by the end of august.  so rather then paying for a place we weren&#8217;t going to live in the whole time, we moved into my mom&#8217;s place and then moved again at the end of the month into our house&#8230; what a pain, but at least we weren&#8217;t paying for something we weren&#8217;t using.  I wouldn&#8217;t take a lease for 12 months if you&#8217;re only going to be there til december.  and paying more per month isn&#8217;t cool either, because you&#8217;ll just be ticked off every month knowing you&#8217;re paying more for not staying longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Money Stories: Labor Day Edition &#171; Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Money Stories: Labor Day Edition &#171; Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They want don&#039;t want your money because they know you&#039;re over the barrel, and they know that if you move out they&#039;ll soon get another student in there who delayed renting until he had to pay the full amount they want to charge. They are not negotiating because a) they are not nice people and b) they are greedy ba*tards who feel no compunction about taking advantage of young people. They probably steal candy from small children, too.

If I were you, my calculations would go along these lines:

1. Month-to-month rentals are hard to find and usually pricier than leases.
2. At this late date -- right as the semester begins -- I&#039;m unlikely to find a place at the same or lower fare.
3. $580 x 4 = $2,320, or $85 a month more than I&#039;m already paying. Over four months, that adds up to $340.
4. $495 x 12 = $5940. That is $3,620 more than I would have to pay if I agreed to stay month-to-month; if I can&#039;t sublet the place starting in January, I&#039;ll be on the hook for more than $3600.
5. It costs something to move: utility companies gouge royally for flipping a switch to turn off the power where you are and turn it on in your new digs; if I don&#039;t have a truck or a friend with a truck, I may have to rent a U-Haul to get my junk to the new hovel.

While $340 is a lot in the Studentland, in the larger scheme of things it&#039;s not much...especially when you subtract the costs of moving and figure in the hassle factor of having to uproot yourself just as the semester is starting. I would lean toward staying.

I might spend the Labor Day weekend running around to see if I could rent a room somewhere, camp out with some friends, or get a month-to-month lease for the semester at the same rate or less than I&#039;m paying now. But I would not move on principle alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want don&#8217;t want your money because they know you&#8217;re over the barrel, and they know that if you move out they&#8217;ll soon get another student in there who delayed renting until he had to pay the full amount they want to charge. They are not negotiating because a) they are not nice people and b) they are greedy ba*tards who feel no compunction about taking advantage of young people. They probably steal candy from small children, too.</p>
<p>If I were you, my calculations would go along these lines:</p>
<p>1. Month-to-month rentals are hard to find and usually pricier than leases.<br />
2. At this late date &#8212; right as the semester begins &#8212; I&#8217;m unlikely to find a place at the same or lower fare.<br />
3. $580 x 4 = $2,320, or $85 a month more than I&#8217;m already paying. Over four months, that adds up to $340.<br />
4. $495 x 12 = $5940. That is $3,620 more than I would have to pay if I agreed to stay month-to-month; if I can&#8217;t sublet the place starting in January, I&#8217;ll be on the hook for more than $3600.<br />
5. It costs something to move: utility companies gouge royally for flipping a switch to turn off the power where you are and turn it on in your new digs; if I don&#8217;t have a truck or a friend with a truck, I may have to rent a U-Haul to get my junk to the new hovel.</p>
<p>While $340 is a lot in the Studentland, in the larger scheme of things it&#8217;s not much&#8230;especially when you subtract the costs of moving and figure in the hassle factor of having to uproot yourself just as the semester is starting. I would lean toward staying.</p>
<p>I might spend the Labor Day weekend running around to see if I could rent a room somewhere, camp out with some friends, or get a month-to-month lease for the semester at the same rate or less than I&#8217;m paying now. But I would not move on principle alone.</p>
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		<title>By: See My Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>See My Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a tough one. Talk to your friends first and then try to call their bluff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a tough one. Talk to your friends first and then try to call their bluff.</p>
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